Sunday, November 23, 2025

Recession/Depression Risk Assumptions - Weekly Blog # 916

 

 

 

Mike Lipper’s Monday Morning Musings

 

Recession/Depression Risk Assumptions

 

Editors: Frank Harrison 1997-2018, Hylton Phillips-Page 2018

 

 

 

 Future Probabilities

One intelligent betting task at the New York racetracks, where I learned basic analysis, was to guess the rough size of the gap between the betting pool odds and the probabilities. Only if the self-assessed probabilities were significantly larger than the crowd-determined payment odds, was it a sound wager. I try to apply the same approach to investing in stocks around the world. The easy part is determining the payment odds, which are based on two factors. The popularity shown in the market and guessing the quality of the current stock bulls, which is much more difficult. In general, more retail buying equals lower quality. This is not to equate brains with capital, but the amount of research done. There is an inverse correlation between the amount of media pundit space devoted to an investment and the probability of them being correct. That is not to say the pundits are dumb, they are limited by space and time and that limits their ability to handle complexity.

 

Determining probabilities often rests on the number of separate supporting elements. This is difficult because unpopular views normally have fewer supporting elements and are more complex. (If this happens then that will happen or at least improve the possibility of it happening.)

 

I have found that a search of history is useful in searching for probabilities. As there are no axiomatic rules, sometimes something will happen and sometimes it will not. The trick is to try to understand what caused the different outcomes. In dealing with history, we are lucky to have both written and geological records from around the world. From those records it is apparent there are similarities in what drives many critical trends, no matter the place or time-period.

 

Causes of Recessions

No one wishes for a recession, although we should expect one or at least the possibility of one. When a recession does occur, it is generally a surprise, and most are unprepared for it. In the beginning most don’t recognize they are experiencing a period of decreasing ability to make purchases and the ability to promptly pay debts. Hopefully, the economic community recognizes it soon after the nadir of the recession. The academic community only declares “official” notice of a recession after full recovery of lost resources.

 

In every recession I have studied, the critical realization of being in a recession occurs when the level of current earnings makes it difficult or temporarily impossible to repay what is owed on time. The squeeze on repayment is caused by an overly optimistic belief in current earnings and the absence of sufficient reserves. These conditions in turn are caused by imprudent personal, business, non-profit, and government decisions. Other causes are sloppy executions, which cause incomplete and wrong actions. Greed also drives actions without regard to consequences. There also appears to be an increase in fraud during a recession.

 

Causes of a Depression

Depressions are relatively few but longer lasting. For the most part they are caused by attempts to structurally pull the economy out of a recession. Typically, the leader of the government sees that the problems facing society are structural and immediately seeks to fix the problem.

 

In the US we have had four activist presidents who wanted to structurally change how we operate. These are Andrew Jackson, Thedore and Franklin Roosevelt, plus the current occupant of the White House. These leaders attempted to change many things but ran into opposition from the minority who used the Constitution and courts to block the changes. In addition, their actions created other problems for the country and globally after their terms.

 

Curren t Conditions

The following elements suggest there are problems ahead. My lens is primarily fixed on market analysis, not economic analysis. (This is due to belief that the market is primarily focused on the perception of future markets and not how past economic data impacts it.)

  • For the past 2 weeks there have been more declining than rising stock prices on the NYSE and NASDAQ.
  • For the last two weeks, the AAII sample survey shows only 32.6% and 31.6% bearish for the next 6 months.
  • Tech stocks listed globally fell last week.
  • Only 25% of weekly prices reported in the Saturday Wall Street Journal rose, the remaining 75% declined.
  • Last week through Thursday, my old firm reported that only three mutual fund peer groups out of 104 competitive leagues showed average gains - Dedicated Short +7.80%, Health/Biotech +0.98%, and Indian Regional +0.55%.

 

My Working Wager

Between now and next Presidential election, the odds on a recession are 60%, with the odds of a depression before 2035 at 50%. (Remember the market rises about 80% of the time.)

 

Your thoughts, please.

 

 

 

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