Sunday, October 5, 2025

Risks: Recession/Cyclical, Depression/Structural - Weekly Blog # 909

 

 

 

Mike Lipper’s Monday Morning Musings

 

Risks: Recession/Cyclical, Depression/Structural

 

Editors: Frank Harrison 1997-2018, Hylton Phillips-Page 2018

 

 

 

Fears

Recessions are a cyclical phenomenon, largely due to price and debt imbalances. They occur regularly within a ten-to-twenty-year period. Subsequent recoveries are usually as quick as recessions. Depressions are much rarer, leaving societies changed and altering the distribution of wealth and power.

 

Based on elapsed time the world is due a recession, which may have already started. Liz Ann Sonders of Charles Schwab points out that the US Government tracks the profitability of both public and private companies. In both the first and second quarters of 2025 earnings declined. She believes that when data for the third quarter comes out it will be below trend. This may be different than more publicly reported GDP results because the wholesale sector is absorbing the bulk of the costs of the tariffs which foreign exporters don’t pick up.

 

There are lots of private indicators of economic business troubles. One that has been around a long time is the production of boxes, which declined. A new one to me is the trading multiples on the sale of trucking companies, which I have been told dropped in the first half of this year. This is important because it not only indicates a decline in the demand for goods, but it is a signal that they are having difficulty getting experienced drivers. Many drivers are on expiring or expired visas, demonstrating the impact of tightening regulations on many business activities.

 

Below the surface other concerns are becoming more visible. One can’t avoid a discussion of what AI (Artificial Intelligence) will do for global industry and consumption. While a lot of money and talent is being spent under this rubric, there are still no identified profits or sales from its use. In a recent study by MIT, they found a low return on AI’s use. From an overall economic viewpoint, I have not seen a study showing if AI’s replacement of the work of people benefits society.

 

With relatively small changes in price and debt levels there will be a recovery from the recession. However, every couple of generations those responsible for curing recessions believe the quickest solution is structural, which society rejects over an extended period.

 

My Fear

We have all heard that history does not repeat, but rhymes. My fear is that we are generally following a pattern like the 1920s and early 1930s, which led to the Great Depression. (You’ll recognize the term depression more from the study of psychology than economics.)

 

The US has suffered numerous recessions, most of which were in the one-two year range. For a recession to become a depression there needs a force trying to fix how society and the economy work. Unfortunately, previous commanded decisions didn’t work and prolonged the impact of the recession. Over our history we have had four presidents who have tried to make meaningful changes to our society/economy: Andrew Jackson, Teddy Rosevelt, FDR, and Trump. Through executive orders and legislation these Presidents tried to change how people lived and worked but ran into significant opposition from the courts and elements of the business community. Because of the US’s market and military power, we have an impact on what other nations do. They either resist or go along with the strategy but will be impacted either way.

 

What should Investors do?

This advice is for long-term investors looking to make returns for future generations. Traders who invest to make relatively fast returns should follow the momentum of the markets, while investors should move slowly with portions of their wealth and responsibilities.

 

Each will be subject to the cyclical behavior of the market, world economy, and changes in needs. While a trader may guess correctly regarding cyclical moves and early structural changes, an investor should wait for some understanding of the major implications of the change and be willing to be wrong before being right.

 

Whatever discussions occur today, they will likely be different a year from now. Major differences will result from views on the 2028 election.

 

Odds

These are my analog thoughts that lack the precision of digital work, but that is the way I feel very early on Sunday morning:

  • The odds of a recession before the next Presidential election appear to be 65%.
  • In dealing with a recession, the odds of government converting it into a depression is 50%, although it may take longer. Human nature almost guarantees future recessions and depressions due to over expansion of debt and other unsustainable commitments.

 

As usual, please let me know what you are thinking.

 


 

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